Talk:Jelsa/@comment-1829968-20141207071950

"their loneliness, isolation...."

I never got the formula from Frozen that Elsa and Jack shared this connection with "loneliness."

Anna and Jack, yes, but Elsa and Jack felt differently about their isolation. Elsa finds freedom in her snow-capped pursuit of it. She wants to be happily invisible in her Let It Go anthem; Jack has a kicking, teeth-gritting need to be seen and hates the very idea of shouldering anything less. He wouldn't understand Elsa's sing-songy idealization of invisibility, and nor would he feel warm about it, because she's relishing in throwing her crown and icing her castle walls up, notably without showing regret in even leaving Anna or her "perfect girl" life behind as she roars over the mountain. She's not "shouldering it," she's saying loudly that this is her, "Here I Stand" stadium.

Elsa's own space (solitude) = taking hold of her own future. In *her* mind (she had tunnel vision, so she wasn't associating the castle-isolation OR the mountain-isolation with loneliness, but *suppression,* the *Right HERE, Right NOW* problem, hence why she thinks the latter is like taking an anti-depressant).

Jack's solitude = not being acknowledged and getting attention, in some ways like a disgruntled teenager. <--- Elsa is not pining for this, or acting like this in her clips; the Mt. North isolation is what's keeping her away from rejection in her POV ("I don't care what they're going to say (about me)!"), whereas all mountains of isolation make Jack feel rejected (Insert, "I care what they're NOT going to say (about me)").

Note that she was never physically alone in the castle (servants, parents, Anna wandering about), at the coronation (nobles), or even in the kingdom (peasants) to get this same freedom, so "being alone" was not as big a prob for her as "being suppressed by society and Daddy's therapy," explaining much of her "withdrawal = relief" reactions. That's why she can gleefully accept the former and be HAPPY in it, unlike Jack Frost, Anna, and Rapunzel (while both Jack and Rapunzel were physically alone in lifestyle...excluding Gothel's brief pop-in's).

Elsa, like a true introvert who mistakes isolation for independence, treated solitude - real, alone solitutde - like Wonderland ("distance makes everything seem small; I know I left a life behind, but I'm too relieved to grieve," while the fact that Jack left a life behind, is what makes him grieve), and so she makes it Wonderland. This feels like more ground to make Jack feel begrudging towards her choices, because he *can't* understand where she's coming from or how she's doing it.

Elsa's view of Alone = Free.

"Jack was alone for hundreds of years, unable to interact with someone..."

Jack WAS able to interact with someone. He could've made friends with the Guardians if he wanted; he wasn't invisible to them, wasn't quarantined from them, and clearly liked Sandy before becoming a Guardian, whereas Tooth always liked him. The only people he couldn't interact with were living children, and that's it.

But if loneliness was even his problem, then he would've reached out to the Guardians a long time ago, all of which who have "powers" and "similar fates" with becoming hand-picked guardians. Unfortunately, he thought the Guardians were duty-strong sticks in the mud with boring lives; there was not a single child in the crew for him to play with, or any kids to enjoy childish pranks as much as he did.

He didn't interact with them because he was judgemental, and that was about it.

"...Elsa was isolated in her room, far away from everyone, keeping herself in isolation."

Elsa was not isolated in her room "far away" from everyone; she was isolated *in the castle* far away from *villagers* to *limit* her contact with them. My point for mentioning this:

I'm pretty sure Frozen fans have picked up "A Sister Like Me," which features her walking around the castle freely in spite of the servants while simply ignoring Anna, not confined to her room eternally (as a future sovereign needing to be supervised, bathed, dressed, and schooled while the royal heads are about their duties, this would be impossible regardless). The clip in Frozen where she's not at all telling her parents farewell from her bedroom also shows that she frequented being out of it, while Kai mingles in the background close by. The person she's "far away" from, to the point of never speaking to or acknowleding, is Anna.

She is also shown to say express how much she's loves her quiet, solitary time in her room with a cup of tea, enjoys her daily preening of it with a smile, and stating how much she even prefers evenings of solitariness in silence with a geometry book (further indicating that "being alone" was not her dread [she's an introvert, after all], but any situation that had to do with her powers being unstable and compromised).

<p style="border-bottom-width:0px;border-left-width:0px;font-style:inherit;font-weight:inherit;margin-top:1em;margin-right:0px;margin-bottom:1em;margin-left:0px;padding-top:0px;padding-right:0px;padding-bottom:0px;padding-left:0px;vertical-align:baseline;">Elsa's problem is feeling suppressed, and unable to be herself -- and then subsequently, not accepting every part of herself from an adult angle. Jack's problem is not being believed in by children, and readily rejecting the Guardians and the Moon when they reach out to him (minus Bunny, but everyone else wanted to welcome him), simply because he doesn't want to work for his position into Guardianship like a classic teenager who doesn't like homework for a reward.

<p style="border-bottom-width:0px;border-left-width:0px;font-style:inherit;font-weight:inherit;margin-top:1em;margin-right:0px;margin-bottom:1em;margin-left:0px;padding-top:0px;padding-right:0px;padding-bottom:0px;padding-left:0px;vertical-align:baseline;">When Elsa is finally truly isolated (again, she was not physically alone in her castle, or the kingdom) she embraces it as her freedom; freedom because NO ONE, (not a single servant or peasant) was around. Jack sees that as his prison, like Anna -- who also couldn't understand Elsa's perspective because she saw it this way. Elsa's prison were *specificially* her hands, her MIND, and society.

<p style="border-bottom-width:0px;border-left-width:0px;font-style:inherit;font-weight:inherit;margin-top:1em;margin-right:0px;margin-bottom:1em;margin-left:0px;padding-top:0px;padding-right:0px;padding-bottom:0px;padding-left:0px;vertical-align:baseline;">Nothing similar about it; not even in how they feel about it.

<p style="border-bottom-width:0px;border-left-width:0px;font-style:inherit;font-weight:inherit;margin-top:1em;margin-right:0px;margin-bottom:1em;margin-left:0px;padding-top:0px;padding-right:0px;padding-bottom:0px;padding-left:0px;vertical-align:baseline;">"Jack didn’t interact with someone for years; no one could touch him as he was a spirit, whereas Elsa, locked alone for years in her room, refused to let everyone touch her all in order to protect them. They could find comfort one another knowing they are not alone; to know that there is someone else going through what they are going through."

<p style="border-bottom-width:0px;border-left-width:0px;font-style:inherit;font-weight:inherit;margin-top:1em;margin-right:0px;margin-bottom:1em;margin-left:0px;padding-top:0px;padding-right:0px;padding-bottom:0px;padding-left:0px;vertical-align:baseline;">How could they know what they're going through when that in itself is stating completely opposite situations?

<p style="border-bottom-width:0px;border-left-width:0px;font-style:inherit;font-weight:inherit;margin-top:1em;margin-right:0px;margin-bottom:1em;margin-left:0px;padding-top:0px;padding-right:0px;padding-bottom:0px;padding-left:0px;vertical-align:baseline;">Jack wasn't burdened by his powers, does not have magical properities that seep inside hearts with curses, or ones that react like storms to his emotions. He was also not made to feel like he had to hide himself because his true self was something to be ashamed of, and nor did he reject a part of himself or his personality. He doesn't know what she's going through, or have the same feelings in between.

<p style="border-bottom-width:0px;border-left-width:0px;font-style:inherit;font-weight:inherit;margin-top:1em;margin-right:0px;margin-bottom:1em;margin-left:0px;padding-top:0px;padding-right:0px;padding-bottom:0px;padding-left:0px;vertical-align:baseline;">Additionally, Jack is not the same "magical being" Elsa is; she will still see herself as "the only one of her kind," because out of the two, that's exactly what she is; it can't be said that she can relate to him through their powers (again, he doesn't have her magical burdens, properties, or abilities, is not a socerer, but a Nature Spirit with a staff that manipulates Mother Nature's frost, must have it in one piece in order to function, and was not born with ice powers, but granted them).