Talk:The Modern Four/@comment-24667521-20151112000011

Well, I'm bored, and I want to start some drama...I mean, a discussion.

This has been on my mind for a while, but does anyone else find it odd thay Hiro is the only new character in this crossover? (In it spure form anyway, without Tip/Vanellope/Riley etc being thrown in.) I mean, Wilbur, Penny, and Violet are all nostalgic and generally well-liked, but they were side-characters and were mostly ignored by the fandom until Hiro came along.

In other words, it feels like the only thing this whole thing is really riding on is Hiro's popularity. Nostalgia enough was not enough to get the other three into the fandom, they had to ride on Hiro's coattails to do so. (Srsly, his super-polished, rendered deisgn looks so out of place compared to the rest). It honestly makes me feel so bad for Hiro, for the same reason I got slightly annoyed with Big Inside Home a while back. It's like people are just throwing him into crossovers with less popular characaters in order to make said characters more popular through association. Seriously, the only reason Tip and Penny got into the fandom in the first place is because they're shipped wirh Hiro. Wtf.

The only reason people associate these four is because because of loose connections:

-Wilbur and Penny: both from Disney's earier, slightly less successful CG films

-Hiro and Violet: Well-known and successful superhero movies (fans have been using these two movies in their own crossover for a while)

-Wilbur and Violet: shipping

-Hiro and Penny: shipping.

Throw that in with the "generally ignored and nostalgic characters riding on Hiro's coattails" thing, and that's basically what this crossover is. I'll be honest, I don't hate the Modern Four, I'm neutral to it at most, but the implications of its origins, especially the use of Hiro as a popularity pawn, rubs me the wrong way.

Thoughts?