Talk:ThinIce/@comment-24820384-20140415221246/@comment-24667521-20140509030851

Ah yes. I've heard this sort of thing before, and I just have a couple things to say about it if you don't mind. XD

1. First off, Oncie never planned to betray the Lorax. The Lorax was his friend It was a really bad decision that he made on a whim to please his mother. Hans, on the other hand, was scheming the whole time. He never cared about Anna in the least bit.

2. Hans knew that what he was doing was wrong, but he wanted to do it. Intentions are the thing that really separates a villain from a misguided, sympathetic character. Hans was literally a sociopath who wanted to screw things up, while Oncie was simply blinded, much like any human being would be.

3. Oncie was genuinely remorseful for his mistake. Hans...didn't seem to regret anything at all. While Oncie was successful in what he did, he still has that guilt gnawing away at him the whole time (as evidenced by his constant denial of badness in the musical montage and by the way he yells at the Lorax in the end.) until all of it just came crashing down on him. If Hans had succeeded in his plan, do you think he would have felt the same way? I don't think so. Even when he saw that he had failed and Anna was still alive he didn't look remorseful--just kinda pissed. To sum it up, the only thing that Hans regretted was losing. Meanwhile, the Once-ler was so heartbroken over what he had done that he literally locked himself up, and he hated himself so much that he couldn't even trust himself to plant the last seed and bring the trees back. The Once-ler acts like more of a human being than Hans ever could.

So yeah, they may have both betrayed people out of ambition, but they're really not that alike. Not at all.